Esther Weaver was born to Henry "Bill" Emerson Weaver and Ruth Blazzard Weaver on March 5th 1948. Raised in Layton, UT with sisters Jeanne and Rebecca, she attended South Summit High School from 1962-1966. After graduating, she married Richard D Geer. They went on to have Esther’s only daughter, Tracy Geer on June 2nd 1971 (Now Tracy Ayers) in Fresno, CA.
In 1976, by Esther’s own account, she met Jerry Spencer Hicks during one of his business presentations in Fresno. Jerry Hicks was a successful Crown level distributor at Amway with his then wife Trish. By his and Esther’s accounts, he gave business presentations on Napoleon Hill’s Think and Grow Rich. Amway distributors are known for using Think and Grow Rich as a means of motivating recruits and new distributors. It was also revealed in a Dateline expose that there is a major cash-cow business within Amway in just selling these sorts of motivational materials.
At some point, a relationship developed between Esther and Jerry and on August 21st 1980 she divorced her then husband Richard. A little less than two weeks later, she married Jerry on September 3rd 1980 in Clark County, NV (aka Las Vegas). In 1986, Jerry and Esther began writing Abraham materials. On Jerry and Esther’s website, they describe that once they started working on the Abraham materials, they began sharing them with their “business partners”, presumably at Amway, and then it gravitated to larger and larger circles. They are now New York Times Bestselling authors and travel the country giving workshops focused on the Abraham materials. They are based out of San Antonio, TX.
*All the facts in this bio can be verified. If you are looking for the original sources of information, email me at abrahamhicksfraud (at) gmail (dot) com. Most of it is also listed in other parts of my site.
*All the facts in this bio can be verified. If you are looking for the original sources of information, email me at abrahamhicksfraud (at) gmail (dot) com. Most of it is also listed in other parts of my site.
I looked A-H up on Youtube after a friend told me about them.
ReplyDeleteI think the one where Esther/Abraham "clears up" the controversy about their part in "The Secret" video is very revealing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFp-iPSPplE
She seems to have her "normal" voice, but refers to herslf in the third person, so it must be "Abraham." "Abraham" tells how Jerry was "enthused" about participating in the video - something anyone could deduce if he talked about it.
BUT, "Abraham" goes ON and ON about Esther's personal feelings, disappointments and eventual acceptance over the whole affair. It doesn't take a lot of insight to realize this is just a self-absorbed woman whining, rationalizing and justifying herself to her followers - not a revelation from some spirit world.
So, if you have ever sold Amway, you can't have a spiritual experience? I don't see how anything you have written here proves she didn't have some sort of enlightenment. Beliefs are funny things. Give a good well rounded argument about it, not a false argument attacking the person, that was half hearted at best. I think if you showed she had been in prison for frauds and cons type charges in her history, you might have had a point.
ReplyDeletekr, thanks for the comment. I think to say Jerry “sold Amway” is a massive understatement. That's how he made his millions. He was crown-level in 1979 with his then wife Trish. The top level distributors use motivational materials (like Think and Grow Rich) to make massive profits off their downline. We know he and Esther were traveling the country, doing this pre-Abraham (not selling soaps and appliances). And yet, that isn't suspicious? And the Amway connection is not the only thing discussed in my blog. I find it amusing that it was the thing you centered in on, though. Perhaps you could explain Jerry and Esther’s inconsistencies from A New Beginning I to Ask and It is Given, or their “earth predictions” that haven’t come true, or their misunderstandings of science and mental wellbeing, or their support of obvious fraud-medium John Edward, or the lack of any sort of evidence to prove their existence or the claims they make like about the body’s ability to align from all ailments.
ReplyDeleteAs for if she had been in prison for fraud or con charges, I doubt that would have done anything to shake the faith of true believers.
She is not doing this for money, Jerry passed away and she doesn't have to do this at all, she is multi millionaire.... I think this is her passion and connection to source( whoever experienced deep meditation can understand a bit of it). From all that kind of seminars she is the best and not charging much in my opinion. saying that they teaching is harmful is just beyond stupid.
Deletewell, it is a fact that a lot of stuff on earth cant be proved by normal science (how do you measure things like hope, happiness, perserverance, etc in terms of science)
ReplyDeletemaybe abraham hicks doesnt really exist and esther hicks is making them all up... but does it really matter as long as what she is teaching is helping other people to change their lives?
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Hey Kevin. Thanks for joining in.
ReplyDeleteAbraham can be scientifically tested. They claim that they have helped Esther detect police radar guns on the road (08/01/1998 Los Angeles, CA). We could actually create a scientific, double-blind test and use it to determine the validity of Abraham. They also claim that people can be cured of all ailments (including AIDs and growing back severed limbs). I would be singing a different tune if there was documented, verifiable evidence of someone using Abraham's materials who had come into perfect physical alignment from AIDs.
In regards to if Abraham doesn't exist, it would bother me tremendously. What about the paralyzed girl who Abraham was offering advice to so that she could walk again? And what about the woman who's husband died attempting to use Abraham's materials to rid himself of cancer? If their work is not able to cure people of deadly or incurable things, then I say it is cruel on two accounts A) it makes people feel guilty when they are applying the processes and doing everything they can and nothing is changing and B) in some cases, like the cancer story, which has happened to more than one Aber I’ve known of, people neglect proven medical treatment because they truly believe that they can mentally release a deadly illness. And that is just a cruel farce to put on people, and there have been many fraud faith healers that have claimed the same and watch people who had curable illnesses knock off for not receiving medical attention.
It’s odd to me, because there has always been fraud in this sort of industry. And Abraham enthusiasts aren’t even considering fraud as the rational explanation. They don’t want to know about Esther and Jerry’s real lives because, to them, it is irrelevant. Esther could shoot someone and they would say, “We’re not all perfect, but you shouldn’t judge others. Now what was it in my vibration that caused me to see her shoot someone?” They don’t consider that a smart person can be taken in by a charlatan. Instead, they can’t imagine why anyone would make something like this up, when it was happening all the time in the spiritualist era. But because Esther is cute as a button, they are willing to throw logic into the garbage disposal.
I agree - they saw a opportunity and exploited it. But having said that, some of there teaching have relevance - like you are in control of your own thoughts - that's powerful. If you can see the best in people and opportunity's surely this is a better way of thinking.
ReplyDeleteI frequently gain incredible insight and peace from the teachings of Abraham. Do I believe she is channeling some entity that is separate from her ? No, but she is tapping into the bigger part of herself. Does this make her perfect or Abraham infallible? No. Jerry and Esther are certainly making a living on what they re doing, but I find that they have something valuable to offer. I think their main desires are having fun, learning and helping others learn how their world works. There is nothing wrong with them having an abundant life and nice things if people are willing to pay them for what they have to offer. It doesn't matter to me if they are not perfect or if Abraham is a creation of Esther. It doesn't make Abraham any less real, as we are all connected to this source energy, this collective consciousness. Esther is simply reaching beyond her limited perspective and tapping into a broader perspective, she still brings with her all her humannesses and her ability to make mistakes, but as a whole, I find the teachings offered to have tremendous value for me. I don't think they are cheating anyone unless that person wants to feel cheated.
ReplyDeleteAcousticub, thanks for stopping by. If I thought Esther and Jerry were sincere in what they were doing, maybe I would agree with you. However, I do not think that Esther is (or believes that she is) tapping into anything. Furthermore, I am not as worried about Esther and Jerry cheating people out of their money as I am them cheating people out of their rationality.
ReplyDeletei think you are spending way too much time on your site here... perhaps for a little attention of your own if i am not mistaken? You in fact are making claims just as they are and as i see here, you are also constantly defending yourself. Seems rather exhausting doesn't it? Why don't you do something to help others and put your site to some use? I mean honestly your site is really negative. And why are you so hell bent anyway? just relax, enjoy life geez.
ReplyDeleteand keep in mind your claims as well:
"B) in some cases, like the cancer story, which has happened to more than one Aber I’ve known of, people neglect proven medical treatment because they truly believe that they can mentally release a deadly illness."
Individuals have a right to choose what is right for them. Belief or not. You don't need to fight their battles for them. What medical treatments are proven to cure cancer exactly? People get "treated" and still die all the time right? chemo is just as quaky as anything else if you know anything about it at all.
Let Esther and Jerry have their perspective and you have yours. Let them make money if they want and you go make yours.
Miran E, I appreciate you stopping by, but when you ask why don't I do something that helps others, I would like to respond by saying that I see what I am doing as helping others. I know the dangers of the sort of irrational thought that Abraham Hicks encourages, and though I understand that some of the ideas may bring people comfort, I also see the great potential for them to lead to instances like neglected medical attention. You may not like chemo, but it has been medically verified to help more people with cancer than any sort of mental healing regiment. And though I do have a problem with people being misled into opting out of chemo for irrational reasons, I have a greater problem with people choosing these sorts of things for their children. That is when it gets particularly dangerous, and these dangers can be seen most evident in the Christian Science practitioners who are constantly in the news for negligence. And they have far more testimonial "proofs" of success than anything Abraham has ever offered.
ReplyDeleteI am not denying anyone their right to choose what is appropriate for them by creating this blog. I have presented my stance on this and those who are looking for it can come and find it if they choose and come to their own conclusions. I don't expect Abers to care much about medical issues, because Abers see transitioning as a beautiful and wonderful thing. So if you do Abe process and get well, all is well. And if you do Abe processes and die, all is well. I do not wish to separate you from your irrational beliefs, but I will present my criticism of those like Esther Hicks who encourage them.
This blog is not intended for believers, because most of them gave up rational thought a long time ago. This is intended for those who are trying to find out more about the teachings or those who are suffering within them. This is my perspective, and I am voicing it here. Again, I appreciate your comments. Thank you for basking me in the glory of your attentions.
Kyra, I am reading your blogs seems like you must have spent awful time reading Abraham. You know so much about them then even thier own followers !!
ReplyDeleteor something did not work with you in joint venture with them.
Second thing there entire industry in such as OBE, Energy science, ghost.
Just wondering what tipped you off with Abrhams, religion makes money think them as new religion.
Abraham Teachings are not bad, if you compare to science and other motivation material out there.
I am reading more and and more on this site and I agree with all others, Kyra, BIG QUESTION, ARE RELATED TO ESTER OR JERRY ?? HICKS MAKING TONS OF MONEY SO DO ALL THE BILLIONARES, SO DO THE OUR NATION SPENDS BILLIONS IN DEFENSE AND WARS. People need to feel good and get off their everyday load, they do by eating, or TV or drugs.
ReplyDeleteAnd most of things are free on Web now so clam down, unless you are related to them too.
Hey Majan, thanks for stopping by and commenting. No, I am not related to Jerry and Esther. I have read all their books and listened to literally hundreds of workshops. I have even asked Abraham questions personally.
ReplyDeleteMy problem with Esther and Jerry isn't that they are making millions. I agree that there are far worse people making BILLIONS. My problem is with the harm that their teachings can have on people. I agree that there is a lot of information from Abraham Hicks available on the web, for free. However, I see that information as being very dangerous, and even if they were handing it ALL out for free, I would still have a problem with it.
As it stands, I try to aim my blog more at my problems with their philosophy and inconsistencies in their materials/stories. Even in my discussion about Amway, my problem was not that Amway distributors make money; it's that they do so in a very unethical way.
Hope that clears things up for you.
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ReplyDeleteHey Kyra,
ReplyDeleteI see that in the beginning of your blog you say that you don't want to fight against the "Law of Attraction" and you leave that work for others however you intend to fight against Esther & Jerry Hicks.
You say that there are many people who are becoming victims of these teachings because they are believing in their power and neglecting medical help. Now, if law of attraction is true they would definitely be awarded for their belief rite?
Why are you again taking up Esther & Jerry on the basis of Law of attraction even after you have said that you just want to disprove Esther & Jerry and LOA does not come under your area.
Why didn't you keep those both things separate as you promised/told in the beginning of the blog?
Also, for your information, i am one of such people who have ignored medical care because i believe in LOA and let me tell you that, my belief has been rewarded, LOA has done what medicine could probably not do. My health has improved which is not possible according to medicine.
Now, How would you explain this?
Not just this, my financial conditions also have improved immensely after following Abe's teachings.
However i really appreciate your efforts in bringing out this blog and offering a new perspective for the readers.
I also have one question for you: Have you ever tried to manifest anything or at least have you tested the LOA anytime before?
Hey Sukesha, thanks for commenting. I said I would not take up LOA "in this entry" (specifying the post entitled A Critical Look... To my knowledge, I did not discuss the validity of LOA in this first entry. I did not mean to suggest that I was unwilling to discuss the topic in comments or other posts. Having studied LOA for years, I would definitely not say that LOA does not come under my "area."
ReplyDeleteI understand that you and others feel you have benefited from your understanding of LOA, but anecdotes do not carry much weight. They are easily susceptible to confirmation bias, selective thinking, subjective validation, post hoc fallacy, etc. For more on my opinion of anecdotes and testimonials, you can see http://www.skepdic.com/testimon.html I agree with much of what the author says on the subject. The only reason I even include people's negative experiences on my blog is to let people know that there are others who are not having such a great time with these teachings.
Saying that you have received these physical and financial benefits because of your understanding of LOA is not of particular notoriety, because there are a number of people saying they received benefits from all sorts of "alternative" kooky ideas (none of which can be scientifically proven). If you have some medically verified case of a person being completely cured of AIDs or some other incurable ailment, I would be far more open to believe the notion that LOA has contributed to your vitality and livelihood. In fact, any scientific proof you could offer to prove LOA's existence would be very interesting to me.
As for your last question, boy have I ever. I spent many years working with LOA, particularly using Abraham Hicks' processes. I still have dozens of Books of Positive Aspects, and notebooks filled with focus wheels and "what if" games. In all my time with the work, I saw nothing that could not be explained by selective thinking, the placebo effect, the nocebo effect, confirmation bias, subjective validation, and the law of very large numbers.
Again, thank you for commenting.
Thanks for your quick response Kyra. Few more things i would like to know your opinion about:
ReplyDelete1) You seem to be very much involved using your time and energy to disprove Abraham, what is motivating you to do so?
2) Don't you think even if Esther & Jerry are frauds but because their works are helping millions of people to find true happiness in their life (though you may claim it to be for false reasons), you must leave their beliefs alone and let them be happy in their life instead of creating such blogs and giving a blow to their beliefs?
Because my understanding is that whatever any person does (education, job, marriage, business car or whatever) is to be happy in life and if this is giving them their happiness why steal it from them?
3) What is spirituality according to you? DO you believe in god or any such concepts?
Please note that i am asking these questions only to understand your perspective and you are free not to answer any of them if you with to.
Hey Sukesh, thanks for the response. I will do my best to answer these questions. If you feel there is anything that I have not answered by the end, feel free to clarify.
ReplyDelete1) When I came across inconsistencies in the teachings and across the dubious beginnings of Esther and Jerry, I felt it was important to share these things with others. Also, having used the Abraham Hicks principals in my life for many years, and seeing others suffering within them, I found them to be very damaging and of little value.
2) My entire blog is to show that these are not Esther and Jerry's beliefs (they are just trying to sell them to others). Also, these beliefs can be very physically and psychologically damaging. While I understand that the teachings can offer people some comfort (in the sense that they may feel some meaning to life and feel a benefit typical of a placebo effect), I believe the detriment of them far outweighs any benefit. The main detriments I have a rub with are: disease denial, victim-blame, discouragement of critical thinking in exchange for emotional thinking, and exchanging personal discernment with the teachings of a guru.
And I do not believe that I am stealing anyone's happiness by making this information available on the web. I do so in hopes that they will be able to make an informed decision about whether or not this is something they want to be a part of. They still have complete freedom to follow these teachings, which is their choice, and nothing I do here is infringing upon that choice.
3) I am skeptical when it comes to spirituality (though I have not always been--that is a very recent position). I have not seen any reason or benefit to believing in any God, and I find that the belief does more harm than good. However, if someone offered me compelling evidence to suggest the existence of such a God, I would not shy away from it.
Thanks.. Do you have any research/opinions/thoughts about other famous authors of this sort like Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, Nepolean Hill etc?
ReplyDeleteHey again Sukesh, I have opinions about all of them, and post about some of them on my other blog, Kyra's Diary. I actually used to be a very big fan, and read many books, by all the authors you mentioned (particularly Hay, Dyer, and Hill, not as much Chopra). However, I have not researched any of them nearly as much as Abraham Hicks.
ReplyDeleteLouise Hay's material bothers me in that it encourages people to dig up past traumas, which I think can be very psychologically damaging. I am not meaning to imply that sometimes it is not a good idea to try and see why you behave as you do. However, if you are familiar with Hay's work, you know that it goes beyond coming to terms with one or two traumas, and delves into coming to terms with parents, past teachers, people who have bullied or abused you in some way, and even both sexes in general.
Also, Hay has endorsed some very dubious authors, including the bogus credentialed "Dr" Caroline Myss and "Dr" Doreen Virtue (neither use their "Dr" titles anymore, publishers won't let them); Neale Donald Walsch, who confessed to plagiarizing a story that he alleged happened to his own kid; and convicted felon/plagiarist, who I have all sorts of problems with. Though I think Hay is an incredible entrepreneur and businesswoman, I think she is just a modern Mary Baker Eddy (or Florence Scovel Shinn).
Dyer is nice, though with his recent leukemia and divorce, I do wonder if his positive thinking is helping him as much as he thinks it is. I find Chopra misleading in that he tries to pass quantum mysticism off as quantum physics (though he is hardly the only one in the New Age community who does this). Hill came at the tail end of the New Thought movement and just recycled those concepts through his own writings, and I think that he overcomplicated things in his works.
I do have a problem with ex-"Dr" Caroline Myss, who talks down to her audience and makes up complicated teachings that someone could spend a lifetime trying to work their way through. And to make it worse, she constantly changes these already complex teachings to completely new directions. She went from archetypes to contracts to the Teresa of Avila prayer work she discusses now. She also tries to make her callers and readers feel guilty and irresponsible, which I think is inappropriate and unnecessary.
Let me know if you need clarification on anything. Hope that answers your question.
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ReplyDeleteI really loved what you wrote here and I agree with you on many points. It's really strange that their books are best-sellers, but no one has really investigated into their genuinity. You brought up a good point that even if the Law of Attraction was real, which many people agree it is, it still doesn't prove the existence of Abraham.
ReplyDeleteIf Abraham could provide accurate predictions of the world, or able to know personal details of their participants in great details, that would make all of this seem more legit.
I guess the reason why people question their claims so little is that most people try to ignore their skepticism when it comes to such wonderful news like this-- they really want to believe it.
Furthermore, the core of their teachings is to not question after all, just believe.
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ReplyDeleteHey teacherben, thanks for commenting. You hit it right on the head. To question their teachings is to acknowledge that you have doubt, and to acknowledge you have doubt means that you are not vibrationally aligned with the good things that you want to come to you. Abraham said it best:
ReplyDelete"If you've got desire and doubt, your desire cannot be manifested." - Abraham (08/16/2008 Los Angeles, CA).
There is even a conversation from Abraham's Tampa, FL workshop (01/08/2005) entitled "His skepticism of nonphysical does not serve him."
Also, from what I've seen on discussion boards, many Abers put skepticism and optimism on opposite ends of the emotional scale. I'm sure that works just fine for Esther and Jerry.
Thanks again for commenting teacherben.
Are Jerry and Esther scamming people with claims of contact with a non physical collective consciousness?. I don't know, I don't think anybody else knows, and even Esther may not even know.
ReplyDeleteThe so called truth is only a concept of our experience and nothing can be proved one way or the other. I can doubt whether I have a physical body, whether there is a physical universe, whether time, matter or space even exists etc.
We can however make assumptions on the true meaning of life. It is my belief that good is right, evil is wrong and that a collective consciousness exists and evolves through our actions.
I and most spiritual people see that the problems in the world today are caused by greed, power, selfishness and attachment to material possessions etc. All these things are attributed to the ego mind. In order to make a change, you have to convince people to see beyond the ego.
There are many spiritual teachers that appeal to people on different levels. Esther is one such teacher, who maybe appeals to a more materially focused audience. Whether she is in it for the money or not is unimportant. Her appeal has probably helped many thousands of people cope with desperate situations and others to see a spiritual side to their ego centred existence.
Is it really that important to try and prove whether Jerry & Esther are scamming people ?.
rfrosdick,
ReplyDeleteThank you for commenting.
I think Esther knows. I think Jerry knows. And I have reasonable reasons to believe this is all just a gimmick.
Esther (as Abraham) usually does not speak of the ego as you are. They do not agree with seeing beyond the ego, because they think we came here with the intent of thinking and being from the point of view of the ego.
I think it's important to show charlatanry for what it is because I think it is dangerous and perverse.
Kyra,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote:
"I still have dozens of Books of Positive Aspects, and notebooks filled with focus wheels and "what if" games. In all my time with the work, I saw nothing that could not be explained by selective thinking, the placebo effect, the nocebo effect, confirmation bias, subjective validation, and the law of very large numbers."
Cmon, really? I'm giggling now. Really? I admire your quest for authenticity, I really do. I myself have read about skepticism and found myself disappointed as I've doggedly subjected some of my answered prayers or meaningful coincidences to skeptical inquiry. It sucks when you feel you've got solid proof and then you realize its subject to doubt. But not all of them. There are some experiences that matched so strongly and oddly the content of my thoughts that to explain them away like you have is to imply a strong bias AGAINST believing in LOA. There's nothing scientific in that, thats just replacing one bias with another. Open your heart and mind. Even though its scary and sometimes painful to open ourselves to the possibility of a mysterious and beautifully giving universe, the reward is BEYOND worth it. You'll do it when you're ready... I wish you many (more) mindboggling coincidences. This time doubt your doubt too. :)
Abraham has said that you get evidence for anything you focus on, so I would think with so many believing in LOA, they would have come up with some amazing empirical proof for it (at least more than for the law of gravity). Alas, no such luck. I would think there would at least be some means of evaluating it (beyond personal experiences). People have used the same logic you are using to justify their belief in all sorts of screwy ideologies. Some people use it to say that they have seen conclusively that natural disasters are punishments for people's sins.
ReplyDeleteI would like to add that I doubt LOA in the same way that I doubt other mystical laws that equally have no evidence in their favor. I don't believe in a wrathful God, yet others would tell me that they have seen conclusive evidence in their experience to suggest otherwise. There's no reason for me to believe it because there really is no evidence for it.
If you watch this video
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJgHgbJxjRI
notice how Esther says "There are big pictures of us..." at 1:28. Did she slip there? How could there be pictures of Abraham?
Hey ThatsMisterRobert2u,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. I'm not sure that one's a slip up. I think that she is referring to "big pictures" of everyone in the room rather than big pictures of the plural of Abraham.
Thanks again,
kyra
Oh, okay. I thought maybe she meant pictures of herself and Jerry. Never been to one of those seminars so I'm not familiar with the setup. I have to say, she's pretty good. I've been familiar with AH for only a month or so now, having stumbled upon one of the YT videos by accident. Some of the related things, like Seth, sorta creep me out. But Esther presents all of this stuff in a comforting, folksy kind of way. Honestly, I don't believe there's an Abraham. Whether Esther believes it or not is another matter, and I can't get inside her head. But I look at her and Jerry with a healthy dose of skepticism. There's nothing wrong with feeling good, but when it's a kind of zoned-out blind bliss, that can be scary and unhealthy. Just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteYeah ThatsMisterrobert2u, I agree. There's nothing wrong with feeling good, but the level of delusion of people who are gaga for the Abraham materials is, in my opinion, very dangerous. In fact, I am not a fan of delusion in general because I've found it to do more harm than good. I think people can find happiness without listening to authoritative voices who claim to be espousing universal wisdom.
ReplyDeleteI value your blog and your investigative eye. I was an 'Aber' and I value your opinion greatly. Whether its fact or ficiton is irrelevant, what matters is it poses questions. I found when I followed Abraham I blindly followed. The teachings uplifted and gave me 'hope' for a time. I had inner stirrings that began to not feel right about the teachings. The overemphasis on getting what you want and lesser emphasis on 'happy where you are', bothered me. It had turned me into a person who did not accept and appreciate what is, when it did not feel wonderful, and urged me to focus on future desires primarily. This is where my feelings did not match what I was hearing. I felt like many teachers out there it can feel like someone dangling a carrot on a stick and keeping you dangling. Now I listen to my intution. Doubts and skeptism is a healthy aspect of life.
ReplyDeleteHey Kelly Martin,
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. As a former Aber also, I found it interesting how, when I was using the processes and ideas, I talked all about guiding myself and listening to my own intuition but then spouted off Abraham rhetoric and terminology constantly (like some sort of drone). I was talking about "getting in the vortex" (and of course let's not forget, "accessing my vibrational escrow") and using their stories and examples for every aspect of my life. And Abraham was the ultimate authority. I never questioned a thing they said. If they said something that contradicted something I believed, I just knew they must be right. It was not a healthy way to live.
Kyra, yes, totally what I have been like and I do still have some of the brainwashing terminology coming out of my mouth today. I remember telling a friend how she really need to listen to Abraham to change some difficulties she had in her life and I was a drone also. I have never used words like alignment and escrow or vortex before, outside the 'Aber' world these words mean nothing, its a very exclusive group. I still feel considerably uneasy now that I have seen my own light. I realise 1% of the teachings are about getting happy - be happy where I am and the rest, well the rest is all about getting what you want, future desires and manifesting a destiny that is waiting for you. My destinty is here now. I would like to get across that the unhealthy aspect of these teachings is the prime focus on the culture of getting the stuff. Even though the stuff is occasionally emphasised as not the main deal. I feel while viewing my expereinces as positive I feel too many people are interpretting the teachings as running away from 'what is'. I am still in the early stages of removing the Abraham drip but I have to say I feel far more freer, far more in the flow of life, far more in touch with myself than I ever was during my times as a follower. I am sensing that more of us are going to be waking up to this and the following will change over time. Much love x
ReplyDeleteAnd keep blogging Kyra, just remember those that understand won't need explanations, those that are determined to get explanations may not hear anyway. By the authentic natural law of attraction, the people who are ready to hear will come and pay you a visit.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree with you more, Kelly Martin. I felt so amazing when I removed "the Abraham drip." Freer, happier, more in love with life, more independent. I was so defensive when I was an Aber, like I had to guard myself from all negative thoughts. It was incredibly stressful.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree that those who understand don't need explanations. When I started this blog, I decided I wasn't going to try and convert those who were using the teachings. (I'd been there, so I knew that would be a pretty pointless venture). The only reason I give explanations is because I think it's helpful for those who DO understand.
there is documented evidence of someone coming into perfect alignment from aids.. he had aids or hiv rather i believe.. im not sure if it got to the point of aids yet.. and then he healed himself through the use of such principles as abraham talks about.. caroline myss spoke of this, you can find it in one of her books or probably if you just google it. Why don't you ask her for the evidence you seek if you are truly a seeker of truth? In addition, there have been many documented cases in which people are altogether immune from contracting hiv.
ReplyDeleteI hope you give hope a chance. There is nothing wrong with believing that we are powerful and capable of deep happiness and abundance through gratitude. We are all just that worthy, but we often forget it. Thanks for being skeptical and making people think. Namaste.
by the way kyra.. i know what you mean by feeling as though you have to defend against negative thoughts. That definitely happens when you try to move from a negative emotion to a positive one too quickly. You must allow yourself to feel each emotion, and SLOWLY reach for a feeling of releif or better feeling thought. But you cannot make drastic leaps up the emotional scale, you must take it step by step. I too have resisted the step by step part, wanting to just go from negative to positive without understanding and coming to terms with my emotions. I remember when I was little and I used the emotional scale to come into a space of alignment.. I did it naturally without even knowing who abraham is.. thats how natural and logical their teachings are. We are truly blessed to have teachers on this marvelous earth to remind us of that which we have forgotten. Thank you so much again for being so skeptical and making me realize even more how grateful I am for these teachings.
ReplyDeleteBella, I regret to inform you that the case that Myss mentions in ANATOMY OF THE SPIRIT just isn't true. She has yet to offer any of the medical documentation that would prove that this ever happened, and based on her track-record with "integrity," including her phony Ph.D. from an unaccredited distance-learning university, I'd say it's a fair assumption to say that she's not someone who can be trusted with claims like this. Also, I will repeat that there are not cases of people being cured of HIV or AIDs using these sorts of processes. As for people being "immune to AIDs," the ones I believe you are talking about still have the disease and signs of weakened immune systems, and there is nothing to suggest that any mental process made them this way. Again, if you can show me some actual documentation (not a guru's claims) of someone coming into perfect alignment from AIDs, then I'll be impressed.
ReplyDeleteAnd thank you for the advice on the emotional scale, but to be honest, I never attempted a leap (because I knew that would be upstream). I was always very good about not fighting strong negative places and taking advantage of more connected places. But thank you. I know you are well-intentioned.
I took classes on their material. I am not debating law of attraction, I am basically saying that they contradict themselves soo much. I started off as a believer and then slowly and surely I began to see the contradictions. I also listened to almost all their cd's too. One that I could not get over was when a person asked about the strong theory, and Esther could not answer. If a person is channeling Source/God...wouldn't something like string theory be simple? I am not a physicist but even I know what the string theory is.
ReplyDeleteGlancing over some of the comments written, I wanted to add my 2 cents in. I think teaching anyone positive thought and optimism is good. I do not agree with the mentality of blame the victim that Abraham seems to teach. I can agree to a certain extent to be selfish and look out for yourself but they take it to the extreme. If we all had the cold attitude like what they teach, then we wouldn't have any shelters or volunteer/charity groups. There wouldn't be any rape crisis centers....it would just be chalked up to...well he/she attracted it. and yes I have listened to their cd about how small babies attract horrible things to themselves. To me, this is not teaching love, or positive outlook, this is teaching blame the victim, mind your own business and ignore the bad. Let's just sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen....lets turn a blind eye. I think that type of teaching is damaging the world.
ReplyDeleteThe Michiness, thank you for commenting. I don't like the term "positive thinking," but I definitely agree that happiness is good--if not the most important thing that we can strive for. And I don't think we need Abrahams or gurus to achieve that. I also share your attitude towards the blame-the-victim ideology that is encouraged because of these teachings.
ReplyDeleteI just want to say that your blog is helping me, as I proccess my own feelings of betrayal after being an avid "Aber" for years. Their perfect cover for their perfect lie is that if anyone doubts, or questions, then the just aren't aligned. Their increasing exclusivity is more indication of their guilt than anything else they could do right now. Put fingers in ears and refuseto listen. How can any real communication happen like that? It can't. You either join the ranks of the special ones, the "leading esters" or you simply aren't doing well enough. Yuck.
ReplyDeleteThank you for being someone who is willing to speak out. We need you.
Blessings,
Carol
Hey, Carol Willis Simsak. Thank you for your kind words.
ReplyDeleteYou said, "...if anyone doubts, or questions, then the just aren't aligned." I definitely agree that this ideology does a good job of discouraging skepticism. I remember when I was using the teachings and would get skeptical, I would think, "Oh, I'm just out of the vortex." I always joke that Esther (as Abraham) could have walked into the audience and shot someone in the face, and I would have thought, "Wow! I attracted that? I really need to get back in the vortex!"
I really appreciate your support.
xoxo
kyra
Thank you for the exellent examination and facts on this "Mony Religon people" the only thing they care about is how to sell another get what you want for nothing book. is not the way it works in the real world , its amazing that books lik the AC shit can sell in 2011
ReplyDeleteIt amazes me how wonderful I feel when I listen to these valuable lessons that Abraham teaches. I realize that it is said in many other ways-but for me-it makes it so clear and I feel tremendously grateful to Esther and Jerry for taking this route!
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous, thanks for commenting.
ReplyDeleteIt makes sense that the materials would make you feel good. They offer a sense of purpose, validation, and comfort. However, just because they feel good, doesn't mean that they are rooted in reality or have any sort of authenticity behind them.
Hi Kyra, I am smiling now because I remember when I first logged onto the Abe list to chat. Moderators were switching at that time and new rules (not run by Esther obviously)...we were not allowed to say anything neg. or questioning. So we started our own group called Get Real Abe...and we had fun saying whatever we wanted ...picked apart the Abe stuff...it was a good time. Time moved on and we all moved on...I continued to put more Abe lessons into practice. All I can say is -nothing teaches better than experience! Abraham has made my life alot of fun!!!
ReplyDeleteGood luck on your search...it will lead you somewhere-hope it is somewhere you want to be. :)
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI certainly understand if you feel you have benefited from the Abraham materials. Many of the processes are actually lifted from effective therapies. There are plenty who receive benefit from the placebo effect alone (just believing that the tool they are using is helping), so one can imagine that people's belief in the materials offers them some limited, seemingly effective results.
But just because people feel that they are benefiting from something does not mean that there is anything authentic to it. Many people think that believing in a vengeful God and cruel Satan is actually benefiting their experience. It doesn't mean that there actually is any such God or Satan. Same with Abe. That said, I am not a believer in using experience to determine the authenticity of anything. We know how riddled experience is with cognitive biases and misinterpretations. This is what scammers like the Hickses prey on. That is why we should be using more practical means of determining our truth than trusting authoritative voices like Abraham.
But thank you for the comment。
Hi Kyra,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your response. I understand the direction you are coming from. My views come in the day to day experiences that I personally have. I don't have to believe whether Abraham is real or not...in fact, Abraham says you don't need us. I value my experiences and my feelings...I can only "listen" and observe to what other people say and do. I believe we each form our philosophies through study and personal experience.
You appear to be looking for an intellectual way (only?) to form your life philosophy. That may work for you-I need alittle more variety. :) Best regards.
Hey again Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteAbraham aside, the logic that you use to confirm that people attract situations into their life is the same logic that a person who believes in a judgmental God uses to confirm that people are punished/rewarded in this life. You see a person you know who is happy and gets things they want and you say, "That's the Law of Attraction at work!" You see someone who's unhealthy and complaining and say, "That's the Law of Attraction at work!" You hear about a kid who is abducted on the news and you have to assume that that kid attracted that (even if that isn't actually the case). You count things that confirm your belief and don't count the things that don't because there's always an excuse for things that don't match the belief (namely, "Well, that person must have had resistance; otherwise, they wouldn't have attracted that"). The same happens in your own life. You say, “I attracted that!” whether it’s good or bad, and you always have some reason that you can use to explain what caused you to attract whatever it is. Similarly, a person who believes in a punishing/rewarding God sees someone do something good and get something good and they say, "Hey, that's God giving you what you deserve." They see someone end up in jail for committing a crime, and they say, "That's God giving them what they deserve." They see a city wiped out by a hurricane, and they have to assume (erroneously) that all those people were being punished by God. They have to assume all of these things, just like someone who believes in LOA, to make it match their belief. And just as they do it in other people’s lives, they do it with their own. Something bad happens and they just know it was from a bad thought they had been dwelling on, or something good happens and they just know it came because they were extra good the other day. In both cases, neither logic works because no matter what happens, neither philosophy is ever actually being assessed for its validity. All things that line up with the philosophy count for it, and anything that would count against it can just be explained away with assumptions. That’s confirmation bias, and that’s what I mean by scammers like Abraham rely on things like this to convince people of their ideas. They know that people will use whatever happens in their life as proof for what Abraham says—just as people who listen to preachers will do the same with what their preacher says. It doesn’t make either line of thinking valid.
I certainly cannot see the value in a logic that has no evidence other than “personal experience” or “testimonies.” Historically, they are fairly useless and lead people to believe in things like satanic ritual abuse, alien abductions, and incubus rapes as much as they lead people to believe in things like LOA. That said, I do think an intellectual way is the way I want to live my life, but I’m not sure why that would lack any sort of variety.
Thanks again for your input.
ok Krya,
ReplyDeleteI am following you here...what I am gathering is that you have approached this in a 3rd party mode-an observance mode...rather than a participant. Thats okay-but again, not as much fun. :) If all I ever studied was Abraham, then I would question my "attraction" :) to this material from what you have stated.
You said you have done alot of the processes they recommend, but apparently did not achieve the results that you wanted-otherwise, we would not be having this conversation...right?
If the processes would have worked for you...would we be here now? Would Esther be on your chopping block?
What would happen if there was no Abraham and Esther is simply doing an excellent job of summing up all the spiritual and motivational teachers in the last 50 plus years...wouldn't you think that she would deserve a hefty salary...thats a tough job.:) But what would happen if ...Abraham is actually a vibrational group of spiritual teachers and they are answering some long asked questions? That's worth my quarter. And in this case, my two cents. :)
Just a thought...Esther is Esther and still learning...she is trying to relay information given to her, that is different than her actually knowing and believing the information herself. So that could explain why she struggles sometimes with situations -just like we all do.
Well Krya...Onward and upward...
Hey again Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the discussion. I appreciate your willingness to be here because I know that there are plenty of other places where you probably feel more at home (so to speak).
I'm not sure if I would agree that I'm approaching this from a 3rd party mode. I used these processes for years, and I can say that I had "results" that some people would have called attraction and manifesting--even healing. But nothing that happened was not easily explainable by plenty of things other than Law of Attraction. Also, I wouldn't say that I just studied Abraham. I started more with Christian Science, Napoleon Hill, Norman Vincent Peale, Wayne Dyer, Louise Hay, and Ernest Holmes, and then later went into the Abraham materials.
As for Esther just being a good summarizer of spiritual and motivational teachers, I would go further than that to call her a plagiarist of spiritual and motivational teachers. She acted as if Law of Attraction was inspired to her via Abraham (claiming that she’d never heard the term before Abraham) and then attempted to trademark it (as if she had some proprietorship over it). When Janet Dailey claimed to have been inspired to text that just happens to look a lot like Nora Roberts' bestseller, we called that plagiarism. I don't see the difference when Esther claims to be inspired by (and seek propriety of) a popular New Thought concept. So I would not say a plagiarist deserves a hefty salary. A plagiarist deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.
Also, with this idea of her still learning and growing as an "interpreter," if that was true (which I am extremely skeptical that it is), I think this puts anyone using the materials in a dangerous position because there is no way to discern whether or not she is even close to the truth. For all we know, she could be erroneously interpreting something that has nothing to do with any sort of Law of Attraction.
PS. You said,"I certainly cannot see the value in a logic that has no evidence other than “personal experience” or “testimonies.”
ReplyDeleteUnless, it is your personal experience. Once something happens directly to you, you change... good or bad...you change. The key here is personal experience.
Hey Anonymous, just got your PS.
ReplyDeleteOn the subject of personal experiences, I agree that they change people. They change a person who believes they've been abducted by aliens, or a person who believes they were attacked by a gnome while tripping on LSD, or a person who vividly recalls satanic ritual abuse that never happened. There are plenty of people who have all sorts of personal experiences. The fact that it has changed them doesn't make it real or useful. And in all the cases I've mentioned, I would say a dose of reality would be beneficial and soothing.
haha...well, I don't mind discussions when people are respectful-even if they are not in agreement with me.
ReplyDeleteAnd Yep, I get you here and we have followed similar routes perhaps in a different way. Which is why we both recognize what Esther is saying...we are just taking it in differently. If we want to address the channeling aspect...from my experience, most channelers don't have a clue of what they are channeling, thats why there's always someone with them writing down (recording)the information. ie. Edgar Cayce didn't really get what he was channeling,in fact, some of it went against his own personal beliefs...
You can live your life as a skeptic, but that can be exhausting...because instead of trying to support your own beliefs you are using your energy to try and disprove others...which is not as rewarding in the long run -at least for me it wouldn't be.
When you observe something and don't have personal involvement its a different sort of feeling...its like knowing the person who was murdered verses reading about it...I sense that this may have been what happened with you. It doesn't seem like you have had much personal involvement with the Abraham material. You can read things but...its different when you get persoally involved. I don't see Esther the way you do obviously, in fact, I am eternally grateful to her for taking the time to do this work. People can make money from anything really... I have recieved much more than I ever expected from Abraham ...its been a wonderful time -
Hey again Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. We can be civil even though we do not agree with each other.
Perhaps I was not clear about my involvement with these materials. Let me clarify. I used these teachings in my life for over 5 years. I did at least a dozen focus wheels every day (that would be low-balling it), moved up the emotional scale God-knows how many times, meditated, kept endless lists of positive aspects, and did nearly every other process in Ask and it Is Given. The only ones I didn't do were ones that were not pleasing to me because Abraham said it would be best to only do the ones that I enjoyed. During this time, I spoke with Abraham personally and had various coincidences that people would have called manifestations. I read every book, listened to endless CDs, made up my own games to get into the vortex, and so on. That said, I don't know how much more personally involved in the materials I could have been. I can understand why people would like to believe that I did not have a personal involvement with these teachings (I am not directing this at you. Others have commented similarly.) because they like to believe that anyone who has experienced it would come to the same conclusion that they did, but I am here to say that this isn't the case.
PpS. :) you said: "On the subject of personal experiences, I agree that they change people. They change a person who believes they've been abducted by aliens, or a person who believes they were attacked by a gnome while tripping on LSD, or a person who vividly recalls satanic ritual abuse that never happened."
ReplyDeleteKyra, did you notice that your response was all neg. experiences?
Kyra--thats alot of focus wheels...lol...let me ask you this...during this time, did you fall in love with someone? did you find passion in your direction? or sh-t hit the fan...
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYes, I intentionally chose to make them negative to point out that not all personal experiences were happy-go-lucky and seemingly beneficial. They were also ridiculous to point out the absurdity of trusting personal experience over fact.
another PS. ha.
ReplyDeleteone of the things that helped me alot was having an Abe group...we met once a week to listen to the material and discussed it...I found it really helpful and I could vent some of my frustrations which helped me understand the teachings better...I also got alot of laughs from other people working though their lives like I was...:) I ended up developing some close friendships that have lasted for years
Hey again Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteAll of the above. It was five years. A lot happened, though I would say there was a gradual progression towards things getting worse and worse.
Kyra!!!! get a life.
ReplyDeleteHi Kyra,
ReplyDeleteI've been listening happily to Abe for over 20 yrs. and before that others ...I've enjoyed the search and although I didn't get as detailed as you in why I liked or didn't like a particular method..I did form opinions-but didn't get caught up with the emotion. I like the direction I'm going now...I hope you find what you are looking for...and I wish you well.
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI agree that Abraham Hicks is a particular method that I don't like. And by "particular method," I mean a scam. I don't like scams, and I think it's beneficial to expose them for what they are.
Thanks for commenting.
Who cares if people follow Abraham/Hicks? Pay attention to your own self. As for the idiotic "chemo cures cancer", better do some real research. More people die of chemo & radiation treatment than cancer. Not to mention the long term side effects that one treatment has on bone density, red blood cell count, etc. As for the placebo effect, isn't that just a person desiring something, believing it is possible, & then it happens? Why not teach everyone how to cure themselves instead of cutting, drugs, poisoning, etc. As for Hicks - let them do what they want. People have the right to choose to listen, to attend, to read the materials presented. If Abraham works for them - even in the short term, who cares?
ReplyDeleteHey amy1212,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment.
"Real research"? As barbaric as chemo is, it still has more evidence for its effectiveness than the Abraham materials. Just ask Jerry Hicks, who is undergoing chemo for his leukemia.
Really? You think chemo is effective b/c you think it is better than A/H material? Gosh - guess you haven't actually researched the side effects of chemo or radiation. They are FAR greater than any material put forth by Abraham Hicks - & you won't lose your health or your life. Why don't you rant about something important like the side effects of meds or the lack of nutritional training doctors get in med school, or the ridiculous food pyramid eating guide - bet you could do some real good & help people along the way
ReplyDeleteRadiation burns are one of the radiation hazard’s which occur during the treatment of cancer by radiotherapy...
ReplyDeleteAsk your oncologist about the recidivism rate for cancer after you have had chemo/radiation. 90%. It isn't the 1st cancer that kills, it's the next one that come along that are far more aggressive - which goes nicely with a weakened immune system.
Abraham Hicks don't hold a candle to these matters. I don't care if people want to buy their stuff or listen to their tapes. Why is that such an awful event? Shouldn't these people be free to choose?
Hey amy1212,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. I appreciate your offering some of the detriments of chemotherapy. Concerning chemotherapy and radiation therapy, the medical community can measure the effectiveness of it and even tell patients the risks and detriments. We actually have evidence that chemotherapy and radiation therapy are able to treat certain cancers (more so than receiving no treatment at all). For instance, they increase survival rates in women treated for cervical cancer with chemo and radiation therapy are combined. We all know that they have dangerous parts to them, but people have a better chance of surviving with them than they do without. There is nothing to show that the Abraham materials have any effectiveness to them.
If my oncologist told me that the “recidivism rate for cancer” is 90%, I would get a new oncologist because there is no one reoccurrence rate for all cancers treated with chemo and/or radiation therapy.
And you can lose your health and life using the Abraham Hicks materials, particularly if you are using it to attempt to cure yourself of some deadly ailment. You have not addressed the fact that Jerry Hicks is receiving chemotherapy for his leukemia.
Thanks for stopping by.
Why is this your problem? You seem to be making debunking Abraham-Hicks as your personal crusade. Now, if you are somehow negatively affected by the teaching then, it makes sense. Revenge is a reasonable response in such a situation. However, if you are only offended in the abstract, and have to real personal beef, you put it, then you are behaving irrationally. The folks you would like to convince, the Abers, will never be convinced, and the folks you do convince already agree with you. So, I'm not sure what's your point with this blog. Faith is a very dangerous thing: i.e. acting without any reason and in the face of evidence to the contrary of one's belief. But the Abers claim that their experience - which is hard to contradict - is their reason for adhering to the teachings. It works for them! You are telling them to distrust their own experience and believe your interpretation of evidence that has nothing to do with their experience. In other words you are actually trying to "convert" them to your position based on faith in you as an expert sleuth. Seriously, you are wasting your time.
ReplyDeleteHey Jackie,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment.
Yes, I have been negatively affected by these teachings. I used the Abraham materials for many years. I did not create my blogs to convert or change the minds of Abers. I created them to make this information available for those who were looking for it, as I once was. I wanted people who were looking into the Hickses (to see if the teachings were of value) to have access to this. I also wanted others who were experiencing tremendous pain because of these teachings to have access to them. Fortunately, I have been contacted by many who feel that my blogs have been of value to them and that is enough confirmation for me.
As for experience, it may be hard to contradict—on account that experience can be very compelling. However, when confronted with evidence that counters the experience, I think that it helps people realize that their experience can be affected all too easily by cognitive biases and misunderstandings about the nature of the world. For instance, if someone has an LSD trip, they may experience a monkey attacking them. Despite how real it seemed to them, once I explain the nature of LSD, I’m sure they will have little difficulty accepting that that experience was not reality.
And the teachings don’t work for Abers. They are not going to be able to cure themselves of HIV or Parkinson’s or grow a new limb using these teachings. They are not going to be able to manifest things with the supposed LOA. They are just going to believe that they can. Those are very different things.
Thanks again for stopping by.
Hi Kyra,
ReplyDeleteThis post has been most helpful to me. I may not be a skeptic nor a non-believer of God or source but I am with you about how the Law of Attraction is presented so wrongly to the public. Heck, I may come off a little new-agey to you but that's not really the point why I left a comment here.
I myself is a recovering Hicks' believer for 3 years already! What bothered me most is how disconnected I was during that time. I do not ever wanted to be around negative people to the point of even wanting to divorce the love of my life. It was the time I realize my empathy and compassion was stripped off my being. It was very disturbing.
I think the tipping point for me was about how "they" answered the question about the holocaust and the poor woman who have recently lost a pet. I cannot stand how cold Esther was in answering this woman's question!
Now, as I reel in from the mess I have made from my past, I am making amends to the people I have hurt. Never again will I subscribe to this dangerous teachings.
Thanks for this Kyra. People also have the right to know the truth. A good teaching do not rob you off of your humanity. I stand by compassion, love and truth.
I just read your review on Amazon for AH's vortex guided meditation CD and left a comment to your review there but wanted to come here to support what you're doing as well. I love haven't had time to read through your entries here on your blog yet but I wanted tell you that I WISH you were around years ago when I first got into AH in 2002 because I searched everywhere on line to see if they were frauds (you know, the whole too good to be true concept we're raised with) and found NOTHING. So I gave them years of my life, hope, money and dreams. Looking back, I feel it was part of my journey as it led me to where I am now, which is happy, but AH did nothing to contribute to my overall happiness, and in fact added to my serious depression/apathy for several years, which I finally came out of once and for all this year.
ReplyDeleteYou are doing a valuable service here. I would love to share my AH experience if you need or desire for more people share negative experiences regarding them. I'm convinced that there are millions of us most of which walk away quietly because the brainwashed masses attack you if you speak up. I gave two very 'honest' reviews of their books on Amazon (even generously gave them 3 stars!) but because the rabid cult disliked what I had to say the claws came out and the hostile comments finally led me to delete the reviews. I'm sure I saved a few people from being sucked into the cult or being brainwashed into the delusional state, but the negative comments I received telling me that I was the negative one because LOA and AH's scam did not change my life into a fairytale were just too insane for me to choose to leave the reviews there.
Cheers to you for this blog! I cannot wait to read through it and laugh my butt off!
Hey again starlitegirl,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate you stopping by the blog, but I have to admit, I think my blogs aren't going to be nearly as funny as my Amazon reviews.
I wish I had been around in 2002 too. That would have saved me a lot of time and energy ; ). Like yourself, I had checked online to see if there were any critical things that people were saying about the Hickses, but nothing, so I just went on my merry way, believing that I was getting involved in something perfectly legit.
I share you sentiment about Abraham Hicks being a part of your journey. I don't mean that in any spiritual context, but I have to say that I feel like I am a much more skeptical and intelligent person now that I've had that experience. I have also been a lot happier since I set them down.
I appreciate you referring to this as a "valuable service." I can assure you, you will find plenty of comments from people who think the opposite. But you are correct in saying that there are a lot of people who walk away silently. In fact, I'm getting a lot of emails from people who walked away a while ago and now that they know there are others, they don't feel nearly as weird for having not found what they were looking for in the Abraham materials.
Lol. Sorry about your reviews. I'm sure you saw that I hardly had a fan base on Amazon. Allegedly positive Abers on there seem to spend more time outside the vortex than in it. I definitely agree that your reviews helped others not participate in the teachings. I get emails now from people who appreciate this work because they were considering these teachings when a friend handed to them and now they know it's all BS. I think that saves them a lot of time, at the very least.
I know you personally still believe in LOA. I pretty much threw it away with Abe, but I understand people who believe it. I recommend you check out Clarity's comments under my two latest Kyra Speaks entries. She still strongly believes in LOA but is not a fan of the Hickses.
If you'd like to share your experience with me, just email me at abrahamhicksfraud@gmail.com. I love hearing new stories about others experiences, and I especially find it fascinating the similarities between them. I don't have to publish it or put it up.
Kyra, as I was reading the comments on your posts, I realized that while I said I believe in LOA, I'm not sure that it's LOA as it is taught. It's actually something I have recently begun to notice, which is more about the power of the mind than some universal law to get you what you want.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't believe in LOA - AT ALL! Not after my Abraham experience. I do, however, notice that not letting that ego voice in my head send me down certain paths of thinking (particularly when it was an upsetting situation) and just refusing to go there or maybe instead of thinking I'll choose to meditate - to quiet my mind - that has helped me immensely.
After Abe, I could not under any circumstances deal with LOA. To me it was an outright lie. Total BS. Shilled to me by the evil couple. That lasted for several years. This last six months as I started listening to Eckhart Tolle and meditating more I've discovered that quieting my mind so that I'm not focusing on something I don't want can make it stop, because, in truth, at the time I am thinking about something unpleasant often it is not even relevant to that moment. If it is something I'm experiencing in that moment like pain (as opposed to worry) then shifting my attention from it can dial down how much I experience it. I also have seen how focusing on it can make it totally take over my life.
I think it's more about our subjective experiences and the general idea that if you're looking for something then surely you'll find it. I think that's the foundation of LOA, but before it got hopped up on steroids. What I'm thinking is more along the lines of things like the placebo effect and self-fulfilling prophecies - it's all about the mind and where we are directing our attention or even what we believe in.
I understand how you feel about LOA. I still feel that way. I don't believe in it. I don't trust it. I think it's BS though I wish it were true. I guess I just can't go back there because it really burned me.
The closest I can get is to accept that our beliefs are powerful. They can shape our reality. I do believe good things can flow to me and that I am abundant and more abundance can flow to me, but it's got nothing to do with anything I'm actually trying to make happen. Actually, it's more about me being happy with what I have and where I am... being grateful for the things I enjoy and in that appreciation I am open to more of the things I enjoy flowing to me should such things be possible.
As you can see, I'm working my way out of a very negative view of life, a view that I did not have before I met Abraham, but most definitely had by the time I left. These days, I'm leaning between neutral to positive. It's nice to be out of the negative zone.
Krya said: "As you can see, I'm working my way out of a very negative view of life, a view that I did not have before I met Abraham, but most definitely had by the time I left.
ReplyDeleteKrya-this is the evidence of what you are looking for... you were looking for positive and got into Abraham, you didn't get Abraham and got neg. ...and left
This is a perfect example of Law of Attraction.
Really this a blog of you arguing with yourself!
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou might want to fact-check that quote. Look right above yours and you will see that I did not say that. That was from starlitegirl.
I think this is just an example of a poor argument (since that isn't even something that I said).
I learned years ago that there is no point in wasting time with Abe followers' rationalizations. They can rationalize anything and everything to suit them. It's a defense mechanism to protect them from what they fear most deeply - that it's all a bunch of hooey.
ReplyDeleteWhile this is not true for all Abe followers, and they do not all fall into this category, it is most certainly true for the ones who have the most fear regarding LOA and if it works or if it can work for them. Anything that does not support the magickal power of LOA is something they cannot face. Ironically, if LOA is true, then coming across opinions and information that says LOA and Abe are bogus shows that they are attracting that to them. Needing to push against it shows their fear and that they are not aligned with 'higher vibrations'.
My accurate understanding of LOA states (in its most simplistic form) that like begets like. This means that anyone who responds negatively to what you write here or who has the need to prove LOA works is already in a mucked up vibration and creating what they clearly do not want.
Over my years of following Abe, I came to understand that fear is truly the most powerful emotion of all. You can be the most positive person in the world, but if you have not faced and accepted your fears, if you have not allowed what is to be without having some need to change it, then fear owns you, and you will not be able to manifest whatever it is that you desire most because your fear will cause creation by default every time.
Now for those of us that don't buy LOA, we simply realize that life is what it is. Sometimes 'good' things happen, and sometimes 'bad' things happen, and if you are wise then at some point you realize that nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so. You get to decide. It's all in perspective.
It's always the ones that push the hardest against what they don't like that need to believe in LOA most desperately. The ones that respond negatively are so desperate to believe that they cannot even begin to fathom just how off course they are. They'll point to those of us who found the Hicks to be a fraud and who do not believe in LOA to say, "ah well, that was just your fault you got that. You were negative. You attracted that!" But really, that they even came across something contrary to LOA and then felt the need to push against it shows how they are doing what they are saying we did. Sadly for them, at some point, they too will come to understand what we already know.
For the record, after my first few months of following Abe and LOA, I never came across anything contrary to it. In fact, I always found more that supported it to be a universal truth and yet even then it didn't work all of the time and most certainly on the things I wanted the most. Go figure that one out...
It's been years since I left Abe behind and gave up on LOA. Currently, I am the more content that I can ever remember. I guess that means that I was miscreating when I attracted LOA and Abraham since nothing about LOA or Abe ever brought me to this level of satisfaction.
lol...kyra=Starlightgirl...same energy...another perfect example of LOA It takes a really neg. person/people to find fault on someone/teachings simply motivating people to look on the positive side.
ReplyDeletePS to Starlightgirl/kyra :)
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you found joy elsewhere...Abraham teachings are there to help those like me...but I had other things before Abe and there is plenty out there ...its just a matter of understanding and being able to apply the info. If other things work for you-then what is the problem...go for that. My issue here was the energy being used to directly attack Esther-which is extremely neg.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThese teachings do more than encourage people to look at the positive side of things. They encourage delusions about the nature of reality and the body that can be incredibly harmful.
I don't care how negative you think this is, I think it is a positive thing to expose frauds.
Thanks for the comment.
Gotta love how they just cannot resist coming here and needing to post and defend their point of view.
ReplyDeleteI clearly understand LOA better than the anonymous posters. I know that justifying, defending and needing to push against others that don't agree is a mucked up vibration no matter what they say or think. Nevermind that they even attracted us into their experience. If you're here, then you have doubts about either Abraham or LOA and are way off the path. Kyra and I don't believe in either. That's why we are here. We're merrily stating why we don't believe. But why are you here? What is it about your vibration that got you here? And why do you feel a need to push against us or defend Abraham or LOA?
I post here because the Hicks steal from others then say it is their own while taking money from people who are just looking to find happiness. The issue I have with the Hicks is that they hand you your desires on a silver platter but do so very little to help you actually achieve them. They cause harm by getting people focused on stuff they want, but that puts them in a state of lack. And they never really do much to help you to allow what you want. In fact, for channeled entities they seem to be pretty damn useless in helping human find happiness without all that desire and the straight truth is that YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHERE YOU ARE IN LIFE AND EVEN BE 100% OKAY WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WHERE YOU ARE MIGHT BE ALL YOU EVER ACHIEVE. It's that desire and reaching that they pitch that throws people out of alignment and that is what is wrong with them. They are no different than infomercials making grandiose promises. Actually, they are a never-ending infomercial where you keep paying them money and keep desiring more. At some point that is going to bite you in the butt.
Desire. Desire. Desire. That's Abe. That's the Hicks. As if the act of desiring will automatically make it appear. But all that desire (and if you are truly well versed in LOA you'll understand this enough to get away from the Hicks and their scam) is what will shift you from a state of allowing to a state of wanting which is LACK. Get it?
For a group of evolved beings, Abraham has proven time and again to be quite clueless about the human experience. So even if Abraham is real, they are NOT HELPFUL because time and again I watched them come up with new ways to help us get what we want because people were asking but not getting (or maybe because they needed a new spin to keep their customers buysing). Doesn't that strike you as the tiniest bit 'off'? That should send up a red flag if nothing else does. How can these beings know and understand so much yet not be able to comprehend that they're putting so many in a state of lack? If you ask me, that sounds more like the work of the devil if I were to believe in such a thing.
The Hicks or Abraham are doing more harm than good and to prove I submit one question to you - have you gotten the things you REALLY desired? I'm talking about whatever it is that you are really, really desiring... how much has Abe helped you get that? There's most always some major want that gets you listening. They promise you that you can have it. They will help you get it. So have they? Have you gotten what you really, really want since meeting Abe?
starlightgirl: <>
ReplyDeleteYES...to that question-I got EVERYTHING I wanted...love, child, new car, beautiful home, and even a distant dream I had as a kid of playing an instrument. It happened all at once and so very fast. I was in shock...to this day, it amazes me. Its all due to the things I learned with Abe. But it was work, personal work...I was up at 6am in the morning with long walks and scripting and focusing. It took about a year. I didn't focus on "things"...I focused on love and good feelings. It was an amazing experience. Life is slower now...and I am moving into more creative fields. So to that question: YES in a very big way!
Starlightgirl says, "Actually, it's more about me being happy with what I have and where I am... being grateful for the things I enjoy and in that appreciation I am open to more of the things I enjoy flowing to me should such things be possible."
ReplyDeleteSo I am reading this part...and thinking...this is great - if you stayed with this and drop the other neg. stuff...you will have the best life ever.
I submit one question to you - have you gotten the things you REALLY desired? I'm talking about whatever it is that you are really, really desiring... how much has Abe helped you get that? There's most always some major want that gets you listening. They promise you that you can have it. They will help you get it. So have they? Have you gotten what you really, really want since meeting Abe? - starlitegirl
ReplyDeleteYES...to that question-I got EVERYTHING I wanted...love, child, new car, beautiful home, and even a distant dream I had as a kid of playing an instrument. - Anonymous
starlitegirl, did you really expect Anonymous would answer any differently? ; )
Kyra, actually, if that is true for that person then good for them.
ReplyDeleteI'm not writing what I am writing here to deter Abraham followers who have found happiness with them. I'm writing this for those who are not finding it and for those who are questioning if they should waste their time and money on them and for those who are blaming themselves since Abraham teaches you to blame yourself when you don't get what you want. I'm here to say that if you want to know if Abraham is bogus, there are people who have found them to be bogus. If you are questioning why Abraham isn't helping you, I'm here to say that they don't help everyone though they claim to be the TRUTH.
Abraham will work for some. I never doubted that. But Abraham will not be the answer for everyone. There are those who get nothing from Abraham. I'm here to speak that truth because it needs to be said. My path was not Abraham. I found true happiness elsewhere. I found misery with Abraham. I am here happily saying that I am happy now and you don't need Abraham's message to be happy. I'm here to say that Abraham's message can actually lead you away from happiness as it did with me.
Anonymous, just because you think it is 'negative stuff' does not mean that it is negative. For me, it is positive to say that they did nothing for me and that once I stopped chasing desires and started appreciating what I had I found happiness. Focusing on desires and things you want that you do not have can lead you straight to misery. Focusing on all the things in life that you enjoy will always bring you happiness. I enjoy knowing that there are people who will read this and find a path that is better for them because if they find this then they are already doubting Abraham and that doubt will always be there. That much doubt will never lead to happiness and Abraham will not be helpful to them.
I'm not writing what I am writing here to deter Abraham followers who have found happiness with them. I'm writing this for those who are not finding it and for those who are questioning if they should waste their time and money on them and for those who are blaming themselves since Abraham teaches you to blame yourself when you don't get what you want. I'm here to say that if you want to know if Abraham is bogus, there are people who have found them to be bogus. If you are questioning why Abraham isn't helping you, I'm here to say that they don't help everyone though they claim to be the TRUTH.
ReplyDeleteWe're on the same page ; )
Anonymous, I'm glad you found all of those wonderful things with Abraham's help. What's really great is that most people can find them without having ever even heard of Abraham or LOA. Just goes to show that it's not as if Abraham is working miracles or anything. Lots of people have found love, had babies, bought cars and homes without Abraham. They've been doing it since before Abraham arrived and will be doing it long after Esther and Jerry are dead and Abraham dissipates into the atmosphere never to be heard from again (unless another family member learns how to channel those hundred entities to keep the family business going).
ReplyDeleteStarlitegirl says: Anonymous, I'm glad you found all of those wonderful things with Abraham's help. What's really great is that most people can find them without having ever even heard of Abraham or LOA.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, except for the "most" part...haha...I do agree that many people have been blessed with this stuff and have never heard of Abraham or LOA. And...that doesn't mean they aren't working the principals. I enjoyed being "aware" of what I was doing. In other words, I finally understand what I was/am doing. Abraham is simply offering "explaination" of what is taking place. Not everybody wants to know why they have what they have...and that's okay. I do want to know, and its been a long road-but I wouldn't have missed this trip! :)
Not everybody wants to know why they have what they have...and that's okay. - Anonymous
ReplyDeleteThey actually just don't want to buy into the ridiculous philosophy that Abraham promotes. That isn't the same thing as them not wanting "to know why they have what they have."
Hi Krya ...I haven't seen a philosophy, religion or belief that "everyone" can agree on. That's the beauty of "CHOICE!"
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment.
I certainly agree that people are free to follow whatever philosophy/religion/belief system they choose--regardless of how fraudulent it is. But my blog hardly prevents anyone from following whatever they want to follow.
I Absolutely love their teachings! Wish I were taught them as a child instead of bible teachings that have been re-written and distorted over and over again - to control the masses.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment, Pete. Having been raised Catholic and having used the Abraham teachings later in life, I can't decide which I consider more damaging and destructive. They are pretty equal in my book.
ReplyDeleteI create my own reality! I'm not a victim! How empowering! Thank you Universe. Thank you Abraham for not allowing us to forget. Namaste to all <3
ReplyDeleteWell bully for you. It seems that all this stuff about abraham likens very much to other religious teachings. You must do it this way or you don't get the wonderful stuff. For example Christianity teaches that you must accept Jesus as the way the truth and the light. If you are unfortunate enough not to be interested in Jesus or in fact never had the opportunity to have heard of same, then bad luck, you have an appointment with eternal hell fire. Never mind that you are the most impeccable person on the planet, you are dooooooomed. The rush to defend Esther/Abraham seems to indicate this same irrational thought process. If you are not with me you are against me syndrome. If individuals are truly comfortable in their belief system then why the need to defend it so. I have never come across a person who was deeply entrenched in some belief that did not defend it vehemently. The most rational people are the ones that simple have no beliefs at all. They have nothing to defend. They are just happy to be here and in this experience of life.
DeleteGetting back to Abraham. What worries me about them is their insistence that we create our own reality. Well what about the abused child, did they create that for themselves. I say bully for anyone who can create a wonderful life for themselves, but lets not forget the millions of children that are dying every day so that a limited number of people can manifest absolute wealth for themselves. When you are thanking the universe for your reality, you may pause for a second and remember this.
It seems to me that self interest and greed are the teachings of most new age gurus. I am not for one moment suggesting that we neglect our physical or mental well being. I am simply saying that we don't bring ourselves up the emotional scale by comparing our lives to less fortunates and then feeling all fluffy and grateful that we are so blessed.
It is at this point when I come into "total alignment" with Kyra and starlitegirl. If I have learned anything from my gurus (and there have been many, including Abraham) it is this one truth, true power comes from within, not from some guru. I truly thank my overused gurus for this revelation. We remain in victimhood for as long as we are led and said by others. This is true empowerment, not this pretend power that simply cannot be maintained through the natural ups and downs of life. When things go wrong then I must be out of "alignment" leading straight back into victimhood mode.
My feelings of power and relief is when I accept what is happening in the moment, be it good or bad. Starlitegirl touched on this when she stated how Abraham wants to pull you away from the present and focus on a desire for the future. She spoke about how this longing for something in the future brings only discontentment in the present. This has also been my experience, bringing me way out of "alignment".
Thanks Kyra for your rational and very articulate discussion on the entities Abraham. Thank you for opening my heart to the possibility that I could know best for myself and exposing the dangers of their teachings. I will be forever grateful to you.
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for stopping by and sharing your mantras with us.
xoxo
There is as much chance that they are right as there is you are right, The only difference i can see between you and them is... They spread joy and you spread hate. Ill go with the love and joy if you don't mind...
ReplyDeleteWhat a sad life you must have. Looking at this site anyone can see you have a unhealthy obsession with tearing these people down. Seek help. You are about as far out of the vortex as one can get ...
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThanks for stopping by.
There is as much chance that they are right as there is you are right...
If we're going with this logic, we could just as easily say that there is as much of a chance that aliens abduct and breed humans with their alien babies and that Satan is eagerly waiting for our souls in the afterlife. Do you believe these things because there is a chance they might be true?
They spread joy and you spread hate. Ill go with the love and joy if you don't mind...
I would say they spread victim-blame and harmful pseudoscience, but if you want to go with those things, by all means, go for it.
Seek help. You are about as far out of the vortex as one can get ...
I got this "far out of the vortex" through many years of applying the Abraham teachings into my life.
What a sad life you must have.
Fortunately, it's gotten much better since I dropped these silly teachings.
Many of your so-called "verified" facts in Esther Hicks' biography are not accurate.
ReplyDeleteYour personal attacks are not only unkind, but untrue! Don't you have anything more productive to do? BTW, up to date news from Jerry and Esther now posted! Better get on it!
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. What facts are you referring to? I stand by the bio I wrote. As for the latest news from Jerry and Esther, there's nothing new about it. It's just their excuse for their behavior.
Hi Kyra,
ReplyDeleteInteresting article.
I enjoy reading criticism especially of groups that are well liked. This provides a new perspective to see things from.
I'm interested to know what your current view is on the principle of thought waves or "law of attraction" ?
Best,
L
LOL
ReplyDeleteDear Kyra, I love the fact that you get into this stuff... I mean you really put alot of effort into this.
I stumbled across your site looking for Esther and Jerry Hicks' Abraham.
Did I know that they are using things that others have already used? Yes! I stumble across things daily.
Do I consider it as wrong to do so? No, because we all do this on a daily basis.
Do I buy their books and other merchandise? No!
Do I believe what they are saying about the vortex, law of attraction, etc.? Yes!
Does it work for me? Yes!
If what they are saying works for me, do I need proof that they really are in contact with the spiritual world? NO!
Why? Because in my reality (I know your gonna hate me for this) it doesn't matter so long it works.
Does that make sense to you? Probably not...
We all make choices and it is all up to us to make them on our own. If prooving that Esther and Jerry Hicks are frauds is what makes you happy... good. Just don't expect others to join your reality. I hope you get a kick outta what your doing. ;)
Sincerely
J.W.
Hey Llewellyn,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the comment.
Though I used to be a fan of LOA, I am not anymore. I think it's a pseudoscientific idea, and I think that there are other explanations for what people refer to as LOA, such as the placebo effect, confirmation bias, and the law of very large numbers.
Hey Askanditisgiven/J.W.,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the Q&A covering your position on this.
Do I believe what they are saying about the vortex, law of attraction, etc.? Yes!
Does it work for me? Yes!
If what they are saying works for me, do I need proof that they really are in contact with the spiritual world? NO!
You say it works for you. However, my issue with Abraham and LOA, is that there is a difference between something working for you and you believing that something is working for you. I certainly used to believe that LOA was working for me. Was it actually? No. I just tailored situations to fit into the LOA-mold. If something bad happened to someone, I assumed it was because of resistance in their vibration (even if they had done nothing to make me believe they attracted that unwanted thing). If something good happened to someone who was seemingly incredibly resistant, I just assumed that they were able to allow on that particular subject. Similarly, if something good happened to me, I would credit it to my ability to allow it, and if something unwanted happened, I would credit it to resistance that I may or may not have known that I had. That's not LOA at work. That's confirmation bias at work.
If prooving that Esther and Jerry Hicks are frauds is what makes you happy... good. Just don't expect others to join your reality.
Right now, aren't you joining my reality by posting to my blog? It seems to me that quite a few people have joined my reality.
LOL
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that I didn't join your reality, did I? However the way we percieve this has a huge impact on "our" reality.
As for LOA working for me:
There is a difference between assuming and actually figuring out what has caused you to be in that state of mind, at that place, in this particular situation and then getting yourself into a happy state (body and mind)
For instance I have a very rare disease that I inherited form my mom. I just had my thyroid removed and I am going to have to have heart surgery. Besides that I've had to remove my adrenal glands, I have tumors on my pituitary and I had sugery on my liver twice.
I am not even 30 yet. Now I guess in your past you would have said I didn't do anything to have attracked it. That's what I believe as well =)
However I will say that I do believe that I came into this life wanting this challenge. I guess Abraham would say: You chose this way because you wanted to gain as much experience as possible (at least I would say that)
Assuming doesn't get you anywhere that makes you feel good about you. My life hasn't been easy... but I have so many good moments every single day.
And I use LOA and the Vortex to get me there.
Perhaps that is a bit hard to understand since you haven't really been part of my reality ;)
I await your response =D
Hey again Askanditisgiven,
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between assuming and actually figuring out what has caused you to be in that state of mind, at that place, in this particular situation and then getting yourself into a happy state (body and mind)
I don't disagree that people can find better feeling thoughts. I disagree with the slew of assumptions LOA philosophies make about how these better feeling thoughts affect reality.
However I will say that I do believe that I came into this life wanting this challenge. I guess Abraham would say: You chose this way because you wanted to gain as much experience as possible (at least I would say that)
You are making a huge assumption when you say that you "came into this life wanting this challenge." In fact, you aren't even making one assumption. You are assuming that there is somewhere that your soul/spirit/nonphysical counterpart came from. You are assuming that you can make decisions from that place. You are assuming that from that place, challenges are somehow beneficial to your nonphysical counterpart. You don't have evidence to support any one of these conclusions alone, but you are somehow convinced that each is true and combines to make the rest of your premise true.
HI- I posted from my iPod and I'm not sure if it went through. Anyway, I'm glad to see your site here and I was surprised (don't ask me why!) to find others who were into Abe and now aren't. I have recently removed the "Abraham drip"- love that!
ReplyDeleteI have hope that I will enjoy my life again! LOL
Now that Jerry has passed on it will be interesting to see how Abraham progresses. I have been a follower of the material since 1996 and found it to be very helpful in changing my thoughts about life in general. I don't really care if Esther was "channeling" or if they were using material that has actually been around since Socrates. If it works for people, so be it.
ReplyDeleteSomehow, it seems we SHOULD care if information that we receive is from a legitimate source or not. If someone says they're channeling something from God or "Source", that's a pretty big claim. It sure matters to me, because if I don't care where my information is coming from, I'm vulnerable to being duped, ala Esther Hicks. It was always about the money, and I can't believe I bought into this for so many years.... from now on, if a spiritual teacher, guru, whatever isn't giving away God/Source info for free, I'm not buying it. If they live a simple, humble existence like Mother Theresa, well, then I'll listen. 'Where' the message comes from is everything
ReplyDeleteI had a complete emotional & physical break down after following Abraham for 2 years. I spent Allot of $ on their Seminar, books & weekly CD's. Despite my enthusiastic practice of the teachings, events occurred in my life that were certainly not " Vibed In" starting with financial collapse, & a collapse in everything I believed in, followed by relationship trauma's etc. I became totally suicidal, I researched exactly how to kill myself as painlessly as possible & with out fail. I actually had bought on of Esters/ Abraham's children's book at one of their $300 seminars. It is not my nature to attend book signings & such, I'm not by nature a follower, but the Abraham "Vortex" seemed so positive in my life I went ahead & approached Easter who was standing around by herself after lunch and politely asked if she would sign her book, she declined by stating that if she did so Everyone in the room would want her to do the same, I looked behind me & there were only a few people scattered around the room who had returned from lunch, & no one seemed to even be interested in us. But what ever, I just told her how much I appreciated Abraham & just wanted to say Thank You, she gave me a weak little smile & told me to get what I needed from Abraham. After I experienced the collapse in my life I recalled how strange that encounter had been, I was quite vulnerable & Easters response felt really depressing to me, like something was wrong with me. It certainly didn't help matters.Needless to say I stopped buying anymore of their materials. Your sight is helpful in simply exposing the fact that they contradict themselves & are no better than charlatans. I climbed out of the abyss with the care of real people in the physical dimension.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing your experience. I know a lot of people who found themselves in very similar situations when they were using the teachings. Personally, I am far happier and less stressed today than I ever was when I was using the teachings. I am so glad my site was helpful to you.
Thanks again for sharing.
Hi kyra,
ReplyDeleteI guess my take on Abraham and Esther is, I enjoy listening to them and taking what physically feels right to me and discarding what doesn't. I don't feel the need to direct others to or away from them nor accept everything they say as "it must be true".
I believe that we have to take in as much information as we can on virtually everything then follow what we determine is the best answer for ourselves. Everyone is different, therefore, everyone has different paths to follow to get to where they want to go. Sometimes that path turns out to be different than they thought and then go down another one...gee that sounds like living life doesn't it?
I guess the bottom line is...people have to make their own choices of what to believe or not to believe. Facts don't necessarily mean anything to some (belief is enough) while others require facts. It's not my job to give others "my opinions or facts", it's their's to do the work themselves, otherwise they haven't learned anything, simply followed the herd. If someone wants to take the easy way and follow the herd they get what's at the end of the trail with no one to blame but themselves. Sound cold, uncaring? Maybe, but in my "golden" years I'm wise enough to know people are going to do what they want and then if it doesn't go right they put the blame on someone else instead of accepting responsibility.
I happen to like Abraham and Esther, not so much Ramtha or Seth but heck it doesn't mean I'm going to credit or blame them for what does or doesn't happen to me but I'll sure enjoy the journey.
It's been interesting to read the pro's and con's posted here but I do have to say...maybe you just never were able to reach the right vibration and decided to blame it on Abraham and Esther..:-0 Sorry couldn't help myself there... OR it could be that it just doesn't work!
We'll never know the true answer on this subject, so keep up the good/bad work and follow what feels right to you...life doesn't get any better than that!
Hey ConnieG,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate you sharing your perspective on this.
It's not my job to give others "my opinions or facts", it's their's to do the work themselves, otherwise they haven't learned anything, simply followed the herd.
You may not feel that you need to do this yourself, but you must see the value in others presenting their "facts" and "opinions," otherwise why would you listen to Abraham? Theoretically, Abraham is sharing their "facts" and "opinions" to assist others in coming to alignment with the things they want. They certainly are trying "to direct others" toward alignment.
If someone wants to take the easy way and follow the herd they get what's at the end of the trail with no one to blame but themselves. Sound cold, uncaring? Maybe, but in my "golden" years I'm wise enough to know people are going to do what they want and then if it doesn't go right they put the blame on someone else instead of accepting responsibility.
Fortunately, there are other people of all ages who are wise enough to see the value in reaching out and helping others. As for accepting responsibility, since I'm not aware of the degree you are referring, I can't say much. If you are saying that people should take responsibility for their actions, I say sure. If you are saying people should take responsibility for their diseases and for being duped, I respectfully disagree.
We'll never know the true answer on this subject, so keep up the good/bad work and follow what feels right to you...
Thank you. I am doing just that. I understand from your comments that this is not something that you would do, but for me, this is something that I see as providing tremendous value.
The interesting thing about faith is that those who have faith don't need proof or evidence, and those who don't have faith will never get the evidence or proof they want.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry that you've had such an awful experience with Abraham, but what about the enormous amount of people who have had wonderful experiences? You are certainly the exception because if others shared your belief wouldn't it have been much easier to find some criticism? You said it yourself many times in this thread that you just had to write this enormously unnecessary pile of negative energy because you couldn't find it anywhere else. I wonder why?
As for Amway, here's the deal, you talk like these guys at the top are these evil no-good sons of guns who knowingly go out and scam people out of their money, and there are plenty of people who don't put 10 minutes of effort in and end up with nothing and run to the internet to blog about this awful scam.
Multilevel marketing is the same as anything else, there are a few exceptional individuals who will rise to the top and from where their standing, they have no idea why everyone else can't do the same. So yes, they hold seminars and preach a very strong and motivating message, how incredibly sinister of them.
It's one thing to say that isn't my thing, but it's downright pathetic to think that these people are sitting around plotting how they can screw people over.
Jerry made millions off of Amway, Good for him! There are those exceptional individuals and then there are those "wronged" individuals who run and blog about scams on the internet.
Abraham preaches a simple message, go out and enjoy your life, there is no other reason that you're here than to follow your bliss and live with joy.
How effing down in the dumps do you have to be to blog about what an awful influence she is? MY GOD then there are people coming on here saying there lives crashed and burned because of Abraham! Wow, no, your lives crashed and burned because of YOU. And that isn't coming from Abraham, that's coming from every single, success, self-help and life skills book ever written.
RELAX.
Hey Greg,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. I divided this comment into 2 parts so that I could respond to each of your points.
The interesting thing about faith is that those who have faith don't need proof or evidence, and those who don't have faith will never get the evidence or proof they want.
Well, as long as you recognize that your belief is based on faith and not reason. Just remember that there are plenty who, on faith, believe that Hell exists, homosexuals are evil, and the world is only 6,000 years old.
I'm sorry that you've had such an awful experience with Abraham, but what about the enormous amount of people who have had wonderful experiences?
There were also people who had wonderful experiences with Peter Popoff, the Fox Sisters, and other actual frauds. People feeling uplifted and believing they have been healed did not make them any less of frauds.
You are certainly the exception because if others shared your belief wouldn't it have been much easier to find some criticism?
The fact that I am one of the few who writes criticism doesn't make Esther any less of a quack.
You said it yourself many times in this thread that you just had to write this enormously unnecessary pile of negative energy because you couldn't find it anywhere else. I wonder why?
I don't believe that I called it an "enormously unnecessary pile of negative energy." And there are plenty of things that a lot of people have been wrong about.
As for Amway, here's the deal, you talk like these guys at the top are these evil no-good sons of guns who knowingly go out and scam people out of their money, and there are plenty of people who don't put 10 minutes of effort in and end up with nothing and run to the internet to blog about this awful scam.
It's a straw man to suggest that the only people who Amway didn't work out for were people who didn't "put 10 minutes of effort in." There are plenty of exposes that tell the horror stories from those who put much more than 10 minutes into it.
Multilevel marketing is the same as anything else, there are a few exceptional individuals who will rise to the top and from where their standing, they have no idea why everyone else can't do the same. So yes, they hold seminars and preach a very strong and motivating message, how incredibly sinister of them.
This ignores the plethora of exposes that show there is much more going on than that, including ex-Amway elite admitting to the deceptive nature of the motivational selling.
It's one thing to say that isn't my thing, but it's downright pathetic to think that these people are sitting around plotting how they can screw people over.
I don't think they necessarily sit around thinking of how to "screw people over." I think they sit around and think of how they can make a lot of money, without regard for others. But it's been happening for a very long time. People do sit around and plot how they can deceive and trick to make a quick buck. The Spiritualist movement was filled with charlatans who were exposed for using stunts and tricks to fool people into believing they could communicate with spirits...so they could make money (though some had other motives). Several even confessed to such trickery.
There are also tons of scams running around the world as we are discussing this. The fact is that there are people out there who are willing to screw others over to make a buck.
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ReplyDeleteJerry made millions off of Amway, Good for him! There are those exceptional individuals and then there are those "wronged" individuals who run and blog about scams on the internet.
False dilemma.
Abraham preaches a simple message, go out and enjoy your life, there is no other reason that you're here than to follow your bliss and live with joy.
Their message extends much further than this. They tell rape, genocide, natural disaster, and cancer victims that they attracted that. They tell people they can heal themselves of things like AIDs, cancer, and Parkinson's by changing their thoughts. They encourage emotional reasoning and narcissism.
How effing down in the dumps do you have to be to blog about what an awful influence she is? MY GOD then there are people coming on here saying there lives crashed and burned because of Abraham! Wow, no, your lives crashed and burned because of YOU.
Considering, as an Abe devotee, you also believe that rape, genocide, 9/11, Holocaust, natural disaster, and cancer victims "attracted" those things, I'm not surprised that you would credit everyone for whatever happened to them. But just because you believe it on faith does not make it true.
And that isn't coming from Abraham, that's coming from every single, success, self-help and life skills book ever written.
Most of which are rooted in pseudoscience and nonsense.
Thanks again for the comment.
I came across this blog because a friend of mine sent me a youtube link with a vortex seminar from Esther. I thought it was odd and wanted to research her and this Abraham thing. Your breakdown of the matter is quite efficient and and refreshing. As an outsider I see the strong defense of her and this belief system as nothing any different from scientologists or any other belief system where if you question the system you are just failed in the teachings and negative yourself (or in scio terms an OP). It is always healthy to question a belief system and especially those people that profit from it and are leading it to others. Bravo to you. My friend has literally spent 10s of thousands of dollars on travelling to their seminars and other teaching material. She is miserable and still seeking some type of positive force in her life. I think she has fallen victim to this cult and cannot afford the literal cost of membership to improve herself through their sales plan.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for taking the time to stop by the blog and check out the information. I'm glad that it made sense to you, even as an "outsider." Sometimes I worry that, having been into the materials myself, I use too much of the nonsensical Abraham-rhetoric and that it will go over "outsider's" heads, so I'm glad to hear this wasn't the case in your reading of my posts. Also, it's always nice to hear from someone who sees the value in skepticism.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. She's definitely not alone in her experience. I've heard very similar stories since I started this blog. The saddest part is that she likely blames her own "misalignment of energy" for the negative results and is not likely to consider the possibility that the philosophy just doesn't work. Hopefully, at some point, she'll be able to see it all for the charade that it is.
Thanks again for the comment.
Hi kyra
ReplyDeleteI'm interested to know what you think of life in general...do you believe we randomly arrive here and our life is just what it is...therefore, take what you get and move on. I think that Abraham, whether they are scam artists or not, have helped a lot of people. I do believe people have to take responsibility for their lives and not put trust in one group or religion to make it better. Abraham has always been about living in a positive environment and there is no harm in that. Sure beats hanging out with the negative.
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteRegarding what I think of life in general, I think that we should enjoy life and make the best of it. As for Abraham making people's lives better, I can acknowledge that there have been a lot of frauds who have made people feel better, but on that same note, I've never met anyone who raced to someone that they knew was a fraud for a better understanding of the universe.
Regarding Abraham, their message is not just about being positive or "living in a positive environment." They promote narcissism, victim blame, and pseudoscience. And as nice as it might be to not hang out with the negative, I think there is something frightening about a philosophy that tells people that by hanging out with something or someone negative, a metaphysical law will bring more of that to them through a variety of equally detrimental manifestations.
Only one life that is soon past all that is done with love will lastXXXX
ReplyDeleteThere's a comment of mine that seems to be confusing (and for good reason):
ReplyDeleteAlso, Hay has endorsed some very dubious authors, including the bogus credentialed "Dr" Caroline Myss and "Dr" Doreen Virtue (neither use their "Dr" titles anymore, publishers won't let them); Neale Donald Walsch, who confessed to plagiarizing a story that he alleged happened to his own kid; and convicted felon/plagiarist, who I have all sorts of problems with.
This is actually supposed to read:
Also, Hay has endorsed some very dubious authors, including the bogus credentialed "Dr" Caroline Myss and "Dr" Doreen Virtue (neither use their "Dr" titles anymore, publishers won't let them); Neale Donald Walsch, who confessed to plagiarizing a story that he alleged happened to his own kid; and convicted felon/plagiarist, Sylvia Browne, who I have all sorts of problems with.
Thanks to Clarity for pointing this out to me.
Wow nothing more to say all or nothing seems extreme! Be an individual that is happy is the only way get there through a passionate blog or exposing yourself to ideas. Proof proof proof is your motivation, for others it is their faith. The one thing that hangs over us all with no proof is death. So enjoy life, love life, what ever gets you there. Don't be a pod person, do question but I have one answer LOVE.
ReplyDeleteThis thread seems to have petered out... but i'll add my 2 cents anyway... I have listened, read and watched Abraham material, and attended a couple of day events. i have since moved on and don't really follow them any more, but hearing about the death of Jerry just got me interested on an evening with nothing else to do! Somehow i got onto this blog... and i have read a lot of the to and fro of comments here (got a bit bored by two thirds of the way down)...
ReplyDeleteAnyway, my point is - that all the people who seem to have had a huge crash and burn appear to have been what i can only describe as 'Abraham Addicts' in their 'previous' life. Taking everything to the extreme.
My advice.. relax!! Go easy on yourself and stop to ENJOY life. I cannot imagine what hell it must have been, Kyra, to be doing the wheel thing you speak of multiple times a day... what on earth drove you to do that? I wasn't driven to that and I had a healthy amount of exposure to the material. It seems to me that perhaps you were a little fanatical in your devotion? And now the pendulum has swung completely to the opposite side (as it always does). Hopefully soon it will start to return to the happy medium where true peace and joy reside.
You have replaced your Abraham Addiction with a 'lets get the hicks for the scammers they are' addiction. Which is your choice and absolutely fine if you feel it is helping you somehow.
I mean no disrespect, but it now seems you are on an unending quest for 'logical' thinking and staying within the realms of only believing what you can explain. But as one commenter said above...Get a life! And i really mean that as friendly advice - not a put-down.
You and your supporters will probably now tear me apart as an 'Aber' (curious term...) which i'm not.. but i am leaving here now and won't be back, I just posted this hoping you will leave it up to give some balance to this black and white argument :)
Cherry
Enjoy your life Kyra... get off your computer and plant a tree or something ;)
Hey Cherry,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the comment.
I cannot imagine what hell it must have been, Kyra, to be doing the wheel thing you speak of multiple times a day... what on earth drove you to do that?
I enjoyed the focus wheels. That's why I did a lot of them. Is that a problem? My real issue with them now is that the relief they gave was brief and usually rooted in delusion.
Hopefully soon it will start to return to the happy medium where true peace and joy reside.
Don't worry. It already has. My life has improved drastically since I left the teachings behind.
You have replaced your Abraham Addiction with a 'lets get the hicks for the scammers they are' addiction.
Addiction? That implies dependence. I can't say I am dependent upon this blog. In fact, I go for quite long stretches without doing much on it. Doesn't sound like much of an addiction.
I mean no disrespect, but it now seems you are on an unending quest for 'logical' thinking and staying within the realms of only believing what you can explain.
Is it so much for me to ask that Abraham's claims be verified by something more than anecdotes? I don't think so.
But as one commenter said above...Get a life! And i really mean that as friendly advice - not a put-down.
I'm assuming you realize that you are only seeing a small segment of my life on this blog. Certainly you are not aware of the myriad of things I involve myself in on a regular basis from my job to my relationships. That said, I am enjoying the life I have just fine.
Enjoy your life Kyra... get off your computer and plant a tree or something ;)
I actually plant trees, potatoes, tomatoes, herbs, cucumbers, corn, etc. There are plenty of things I do to occupy my time outside of this work.
Kyra, I can understand your comments about Esther hicks, but I disagree on the comments on John Edward and even though Neale Donald Walsch has had a couple of issues, I still think "conversations with god" books 1 through 3 is some of the best spiritual material out there.
ReplyDeleteRegarding John Edward, I actually had a reading done at a live event back in the late 90s by John Edward and there's no possible way he knew what he knew. He basically pointed to me 3 rows back and told me that a lady who passed very recently was coming through and the he stated, "why am I hearing from her "My Way" by Frank Sinatra?". I got chills and explained to him that My grandmother passed away 3 and 1/2 weeks ago and before her death, she danced with my grandfather to the song "My Way" by Frank Sinatra. I went on to explain to him that in fact, my grandmother had my grandpa bring in a small recorder to the hospital everynight when he visited so that he could continue to play that song every night when they were together. I also mentioned to him that it was the ONLY song she ever liked by Frank Sinatra. Anyway, when he said that, I knew he was real. I was never asked anything before that that even led up to that queston for him. Nor did I fill out any questionarer before the event, that the skeptics say happens.
Anyway, after that event I later went on to read some older in depth research on the study of mediumship and became very familiar at how the messages came across. One medium(who's deceased now) went on to explain that communicating with those who passed on is kind of like trying to hear someone talk through a wall(of course it's happening in your head). It was explained that when you hear someone from behind a wall, you may catch a word here or there, or a sound here or there, but in the end it's up to you to interpret what it is you are hearing and when you get visuals, it's also up to you to interpret what those visuals are that you are seeing.
I've actually read every skeptical claim on John Edward there is, and before I completely understood mediumship, I understood how it would seem like cold reading, there could be lots of things in the world that seem similar, but could originate from completely different sources(such as mediumship and cold reading).
Believe me, I was a hard core skeptic before the live event and then I also came to understand that just as someone can have too open of a mind, someone can also have too closed of a mind and that's just as bad.
Of course if you think about it, one can probably dig up dirt on every single person out there who's actually at a heart a very trustworthy and sincere person.
I will say though that I do agree about Sylvia Browne. I've studied her methods and she often comes across too angry and completely the opposite of someone who suppose to be spiritual. It just doesn't add up with her.
One has to be naive these days to believe that consciousness doesn't continue on after the body dies. There' so much research being done in the area, especially involving children and past lives. I just finished a book by Dr Tucker regarding the past lives of children and the results he's presenting is astonishing and even better yet, he explains to you why skpectical arguments don't always fit. I think we as humands are so conditioned to believe that everything around you is all you get. Science tells us to trust our physical senses. The arrogance in science is really quite sad actually.
ReplyDeleteDusty,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment.
First off, I would like to point out that even if consciousness continues after the body dies, that in no way immediately confirms that what Esther Hicks is doing is authentic. Consciousness continuing or not continuing after death, there are still frauds that use this industry to make money.
As for the arrogance of science, the scientific process encourages skepticism and criticism. Abraham does not encourage skepticism and criticism. Expecting people to just believe your ideas, without skepticism or criticism, to me, is the ultimate form of arrogance.
Hey Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing your input about John Edward. I too have looked at his work and the skeptical arguments and have to say that nothing he has done has left me impressed or thinking he is anything other than a huckster.
As for your personal experience, not having access to the details or the actual transcript, I can't really comment. I can say that I have heard many describe their experiences similarly to the way you have, only to see how evident the "cheating" and "cold reading" is within the actual transcripts. Of course, I cannot say that it is that way for certain. I am just saying that you can surely understand my skepticism when I do not have access to the details of the story that you are discussing.
Thanks again for commenting.
Kyra, the problem is, why are we so quick to judge that every spiritual medium is a fraud, INSTEAD of just trying to understand how and why the messages might come through? Nobody ever questions that. Why does it seem to impossible that the energy of a spirit may not come through with loud booming concrete information?? Why is it so hard to believe that the medium might have to ask questions to help him/her figure out what it is they are getting? I just don't understand why that's so hard for people to grasp.
ReplyDeleteBut instead, people take the easy(non thinking) way out and declare the medium to be a fraud without understanding anything about mediumship because it doesn't fit their rigid scientific beliefs as to the way they believe the world should work.
The sad part is that skeptics(especially Michael Shermer) will do everything they can to discredit, even lie as Shermer did in the book, "Crossing Over", to further their skeptical agenda. It's really sad that they feel they need to do this, but I know that even John Edward got a chuckle out of it. He didn't get defensive at all, which shows his security in his beliefs....I wouldn't trust Michael Shermer for as far as I can throw him.
In fact, if a medium ever tried to tell me that the information comes through loud and clear and completey and totally understandable, THEN I would be very skeptical of that medium....
I've always been told that you will know it's real once it's happened to you, and since it has now happened to me(the reading I had), I can completely understand that comment.
Oh and my name is Dusty(I posted as Anonymous by mistake the first time). :)
Hi Kyra, regarding your Hicks comment, I can understand. Although I do believe that Like attracts like to a degree(as I've seen it happen too many times in my own life), I believe that karma and other factors can play a huge role on whether or not you can get it to work for you or not. After researching the Hicks teachings extensively recently, many things didn't ring true about them from what other old aged metaphysical teachings have taught me. Plus, the fact that they seem so against taking action. That makes no sense to me.....So I can agree with you on Hicks.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, after reading MasterMind physist's Brian Green's book on quantum physics and how everything we see around us might very well be an illusion, then I would say that anything is possible. It's just as us(the observers), we only see what are retinas lead us to believe.
Hey again Dusty,
ReplyDeleteKyra, the problem is, why are we so quick to judge that every spiritual medium is a fraud...
I can understand why it might seem that I am quick to judge that every spiritual medium is a fraud. However, this is not the case. I believe there are some very well-meaning individuals who believe that they are mediums. I do not believe that is the case with Esther Hicks.
Regarding Shermer, I am curious to know how you are so certain that Shermer lied about something in "Crossing Over." "Crossing Over" is a book by John Edward, and it is just as likely that he is lying about Shermer. Why do you assume that Shermer is the liar? Shermer aside, there have been others who have criticized John Edward, and while I'm not a fan of Shermer, I do have respect for Joe Nickell.
Well, the reason I mentioned Michael Shermer, is because he wrote(I think it was in crossing over) that people were interviewed before John Edward events to gather information about them. It was also mentioned that there were microphones all over the live events to evesdrop on people's private conversations hoping they would talk about who they wanted to hear from, and myself and other people that went to these events confirmed that this wasn't true at all. There were some of us that even confronted the event centers asking about this, and they seemed pretty perplexed that they would even be accused of this, and I know for a fact that I was never ever asked to fill out anything at the live event or beforehand regardig John Edward, nor where any of my other friends that went to these events. John thought it as so comical that he included the accusations in his book. He wasn't angry, but he knew that many of his book readers went to these events so he just wanted them to know what he was being accused of as well.
DeleteBelievers are often accused of being addicated to their beliefs, but this also goes for hard core skeptics as well. Michael Shermer has his own agenda and sometimes skeptics like him will fabricate their own truth just to make themselves look better...It's the same with James Randi who's known as a professional debunker. Randi's reputation as a debunker would be completely reversed if someone ever passed his million dollar challenge, and believe me, he would do anything to keep that from happening.
Even so, I think people jump to the "fraud" classificaton way too early.
years ago I was contacted by my other grandmother through consant random flickering of lights all through the house, even though the electricity was checked and all wiring and lamps were diagnosed as normal. This went on for about 2 weeks... I knew this was her and she had always told me that if she was able she'd come through she would(as we pretty much believed in the same things) Anyway, once during a deep meditation, I acknowledged her doing this, and all the flickering stopped immediately.
I only mention this because John Edward use to always talk about how some spiritual beings can communicate better than others and some are masters at manipulationg electricity. So I know for a fact that spiritual commuication exists. I think knowing that it exists is the first step in believing that a spiritual medium can be real. If one doesn't believe in spiritual communication to begin with, then one won't believe in any medium no matter what type of evidence is provided to them.
Hey again Dusty,
DeleteI have read some of Michael Shermer's criticisms of John Edward, but I don't recall seeing anything where he accused him of "hot readings." From what I've read, he just says that he believes John Edward performs cold readings, which are edited by producers to look more amazing than they actually are. In one of his articles, a Michael O'Neill mentions that production assistants could have easily eavesdropped on people's conversations before the show. He also hypothesized that the place could have easily been bugged, but this is just his speculation. I don't think I have seen anything Shermer has written about Edward where Shermer makes the specific accusations that you mention. Could you point out the source where Shermer originally wrote/said this? From what I have read, it seems that Shermer is speculating about John Edward more than he is telling lies about him.
Regarding jumping to the 'fraud' classification way too early, the spiritualist industry has certainly earned that classification, considering its history with a plethora of scandalous frauds.
If one doesn't believe in spiritual communication to begin with, then one won't believe in any medium no matter what type of evidence is provided to them.
I'm not so sure I believe this. I know plenty of people who have been converted from nonbelief in spiritual things because of something they experienced or saw (even from their place of nonbelief). So surely one can have an experience from a place of nonbelief that leads them to a place of belief.
Hi Kyra, I heard about Abraham Hicks through a YouTuber. I struggle quite often with depression and panic attacks, so when I came across their seemingly helpful material I felt some relief. I have to say I am a little disappointed after reading your post. I guess it grounded me because I should have been a little skeptical from the beginning. I was wondering if you have heard of Bashar/Darryl Anka (sp?), if so what are your thoughts about their teachings?
ReplyDeleteMost importantly, if there was any credible material or helpful advice you could give someone who is looking for guidance what would it be?
Ps. I also skimmed through some comments and saw you mentioned Neal Donald Walsch. That really disappointed me, I had no idea he admitted to plagiarism. The most valuable thing I learned from Conversations with God was that the body was not meant to consume alcohol. That's really the only thing that stuck with me for whatever reason. Hopefully there is truth to it.
you really are a scammer who have you help with your "teachings" of hate especially Bumble Bee. I hope you are proud of your accomplishments and accusations, they seemed to have crushed the Hicks'outreach, by the why how many people read your stuff? Does it match Esther's frumpy career?
ReplyDeleteHi Kyra,
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you. How much time have you spend on this blog and it's research. I bet my last dollar your one of tho's that gets satisfaction out of deliberately putting other people down in life probably because you don't know how to live any other way. Well than I must say your not living life to it's fullest potential.
We must only look at ourselves and create our own life's, fill it with joy, happiness and abundance and it will rub off to the people that surround you and it will continue to do so.
Gotta go now I have more important things to create in my life!!!
hi there i been spiritual beleiver since i was 5 i have had many visits from family members that have passed on, i am also a spiritual healer, and reiki master, and a baptised christian,i have also had a lot of people cured by spiritual healing and reiki, as for u wanting proof of this there is none because, it is all done by the divine spiritually quieded,the thing that reali sparked me to reply is that you obviously dont beleive in any of this so why write a blog about it is realy good marerial i suggest to you that u study the course on miracles it may give you a better concept, to what you beleive is mushed up rubbish,both on a spritual and religious point of veiw you will never succeed in any of these teachings if it really honestly dosnt truthfully come from the heart i think you really should take up meditation.
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